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jdk200
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I'm not sure what is going on, but I was making a consistant 50-70 coins a day for the past year. Then all of a sudden, It keeps giving me these work units that take several days each to complete. Even after multiple reboots, It's still giving me insane units. Now I'm lucky if I get 5 pathetic coins a day. I noticed the value went up to 3 cents a coin recently. Not sure if there is a correlation. Is anyone else experiencing this as well?

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Posted : 07/04/2016 8:09 pm
CygnusXI
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Likely errors
Drivers (gpu)
win 10 upgrade?
outdated / corrupted core files (go the fahclient folder in appdata, then find core.exe's and delete to force redownload of newest cores)

If none of those are the issue post back with a copy of the log file pasted in

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Posted : 08/04/2016 3:42 pm
jrweiss
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Have your F@H credits gone down as well, or only your coin awards? Have you noticed a shift in the WU numbers being processed by F@H?

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Posted : 08/04/2016 4:42 pm
CygnusXI
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@jrweiss wrote:

Have your F@H credits gone down as well, or only your coin awards? Have you noticed a shift in the WU numbers being processed by F@H?

Correct, this is really the first thing I should have asked, thanks for pointing that out for anyone else that might be reading the forum if they ran into the same issue. From the looks of it there has been a pretty large decrease. http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=657202 . Hopefully jdk will find the culprit soon.

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Posted : 08/04/2016 4:57 pm
jdk200
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I deleted all the .exe files to no avail. I did grab a few screen caps of what my dashboard looks like if that helps any. But all GPU's are functioning normally. Nothing has changed int he setup at all to cause the sudden decrease.

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Posted : 09/04/2016 5:02 pm
jrweiss
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From the stats page, it looks like you are not getting bonus points, though your ETAs seem OK.

Ensure your passkey is set correctly; you may want to re-enter it in Configure | Identity.

Ensure you have a CPU core or thread available for each GPU.

Look back in your logs. See if there have been a bunch of unexplained EUEs (Early Unit Ends) or other failures. If so, your passkey may not get you the normal bonus points, and you may have to go to the F@H forum for help in fixing it. From the FAQ: "The bonus is applied for users who use a passkey, have successfully returned at least 10 bonus-eligible WUs, have successfully returned 80% or more of assigned WUs, and returned the unit before its Timeout (formerly Preferred Deadline). Bonus points do not apply to partial returns."

As far as "deleting all the exe files", I hope that only means you shut down the client, deleted the FahCore_XXX.exe files, and restarted the client. You should NOT have to delete any of the client or wrapper exe files. If you do not have the latest client (7.4.4), download and install that.

Look in GPU-z or Catalyst and find out if your GPUs are Folding at max utilization. You should see 95-99%, with occasional dips as data is written (mirrored by CPU utilization increases for a few seconds). If your utilization is low, you may have a temperature/throttling problem (also visible in GPU-z/Catalyst).

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Posted : 09/04/2016 6:23 pm
jdk200
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I went in and redid my passkey this morning before I went to work. At that time I was only getting 27,000 ppd. After about 12 hours, I came back and checked on the progress. While it shows a work unit that's 6 days out for only 9,000 points, the others seem to be plugging away normally. It now shows 120,000 ppd. GPU-Z shows all GPU's working at nominal capacity. Can anyone confirm that things are back to normal on the stats page?

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Posted : 10/04/2016 5:39 pm
jrweiss
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It will take a day or 3 for the stats to catch up. They are posted every 3 hours, but I don't know how often Extreme overclocking and the other compilers poll the Stats Server. Just bookmark and check the link Cygnus posted the other day ( http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_summary.php?s=&u=657202), and you should eventually see the submissions and point count climb to what it was before the problem started. Remember the CureCoin posting can lag the stats server by 48 hours.

Also remember that ETAs are not accurate until 10-20% or more of the WU is complete.

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Posted : 10/04/2016 6:06 pm
jdk200
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Well, now the client is suck in an update screen. The whole things is going haywire. Perhaps I should just uninstall and reinstall the whole damn thing. I am curious though, The value of cure has been going up. But the question is, when do I pull the trigger to sell. How high do we predict cure to go?

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Posted : 13/04/2016 6:00 pm
jrweiss
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It's possible you deleted the wrong .exe files, as I noted the other day.

Normally, the client will download the appropriate core files when it does not detect them. However, depending on what you deleted earlier, it may not be able to do so.

So yes, a re-install may be the only way to get it working again. Try installing over the current installation, without deleting anything. If that doesn't work, try deleting the Client folder, but leave the Data folder intact. If THAT doesn't work, delete the entire folder tree and start from scratch.

As for the value of Cure, I haven't been following it. I'm just going to hold for a while and see what comes of it.

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Posted : 13/04/2016 9:04 pm
jdk200
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So I did finally reinstall everything. All the GPU's have been running great, but for some reason the system likes to keep throwing me these work units that take 4-7 days to complete. I just don't understand that. Is the system trying to balance out my rigs power by giving it harder work? Just irritating, that's all.

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Posted : 20/04/2016 3:08 pm
wilding2004
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@jdk200 wrote:

So I did finally reinstall everything. All the GPU's have been running great, but for some reason the system likes to keep throwing me these work units that take 4-7 days to complete. I just don't understand that. Is the system trying to balance out my rigs power by giving it harder work? Just irritating, that's all.

The work units all vary in size, some can be finished in hours, other take days. The bigger work units are worth a correspondingly larger points reward - so you will still be getting the same amount overall.

i.e you might get a 10000 point work unit that finishes in 10 hours or a 30000 point work unit that takes 30 hours - it's all the same in the end.

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Posted : 20/04/2016 5:13 pm
wilding2004
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Also I would like to add that it is quite rare for Stanford to change the points value of a workunit, sometimes they do get re-benchmarked - but that is only when a specific problem has been identified.

If your daily points output has dropped, it is almost certainly (and I mean like 99%) something wrong with your system. That "wrong" thing could be anything. Antivirus, firewall, Windows updates, driver updates, hardware problem with PC, hardware problem with router or network. Software problem.

If you have set your folding client to receive "advanced" work units, this will increase the chances of things going wrong. There is a false belief amongst some people that "advanced" work will earn you more points - well they won't.

Similarly if you have set the "beta" option - then expect to have to babysit all your clients on a daily basis.

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Posted : 20/04/2016 5:27 pm
jrweiss
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@jdk200 wrote:

So I did finally reinstall everything. All the GPU's have been running great, but for some reason the system likes to keep throwing me these work units that take 4-7 days to complete. I just don't understand that. Is the system trying to balance out my rigs power by giving it harder work? Just irritating, that's all.

The only thing you have to worry about is whether the ETA for each WU is within the Timeout Date. As long as you finish before that time, you get credit. The sooner you finish, the more bonus points you get.

The variety in WUs will eventually be such that you will likely finish some WU every day. There is no way to control the assignments and daily output, but it tends to average out monthly.

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Posted : 20/04/2016 7:08 pm
Ldra02
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I'm having a similar issue. My points seem as though they're dropping off to next to nothing every other day. My WUs seem to be staying constant. User name is ldra02

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Posted : 30/04/2016 5:46 am
jrweiss
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I don't see any problem in your stats. Read my previous post about daily output. Your weekly output is rising steadily.

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Posted : 30/04/2016 6:45 pm
Darth_Mouse
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My experience is that the longer the estimated time to completion the lower the estimated PPD is. I do notice that in these long running low PPD WUs that my GPUs run considerably cooler than with the short running high estimated PPD WUs. Currently running 3 gtx 1080s with no overclock over factory on an 8 cpu linux mint pc. I'd welcome any suggestions on system tweaks I could make.

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Posted : 07/10/2016 10:38 am
wilding2004
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@Darth_Mouse wrote:

My experience is that the longer the estimated time to completion the lower the estimated PPD is. I do notice that in these long running low PPD WUs that my GPUs run considerably cooler than with the short running high estimated PPD WUs. Currently running 3 gtx 1080s with no overclock over factory on an 8 cpu linux mint pc. I'd welcome any suggestions on system tweaks I could make.

In recent times Nvidia gpu's have performed relatively worse on the larger WU's, while AMD gpu's have performed relatively better. This is down to chip design, and the way large numbers are handled by the hardware.

My Geforce cards all do better PPD on WU's they complete in under 6 hours, while my sole Radeon card produces it's best PPD on anything that takes over 24 hours.

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Posted : 07/10/2016 11:00 am
Darth_Mouse
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@wilding2004 wrote:

@Darth_Mouse wrote:

My experience is that the longer the estimated time to completion the lower the estimated PPD is. I do notice that in these long running low PPD WUs that my GPUs run considerably cooler than with the short running high estimated PPD WUs. Currently running 3 gtx 1080s with no overclock over factory on an 8 cpu linux mint pc. I'd welcome any suggestions on system tweaks I could make.

In recent times Nvidia gpu's have performed relatively worse on the larger WU's, while AMD gpu's have performed relatively better. This is down to chip design, and the way large numbers are handled by the hardware.

My Geforce cards all do better PPD on WU's they complete in under 6 hours, while my sole Radeon card produces it's best PPD on anything that takes over 24 hours.

Thanks for clearing that up for me. Much appreciated.

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Posted : 07/10/2016 11:32 am
wuffy68
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@Ldra02 wrote:

I'm having a similar issue. My points seem as though they're dropping off to next to nothing every other day. My WUs seem to be staying constant. User name is ldra02

Wilding2004 put it well. You'll notice that projects start as BETA, then move to ADVANCED, then move to FULL. The ones in ADVANCED are still not necessarily stable, so you may get some that lag or time-out due to driver compatibility issues, bad WU's, etc. They seem to indicate that ADVANCED do not necessarily award users more points (at least as of 2015)

There's a pretty good discussion about this on Foldingforum ... he're a quote from "bruce":

People who join the beta team or people who run Adv are willing to accept higher percentages of errors with a secondary goal of helping isolate problems, report them, and get them fixed.

https://foldingforum.org/search.php?keywords=advanced+vs+full

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Posted : 09/10/2016 12:12 am
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