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Will H
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TL;DR: Made a concept site. Let's get some ideas rolling and see what kind of site it could end up as.

http://www.coinordie.com/ (password: epistemicstandard)

I made a site with the idea of selling curecoin at a fixed price with profits largely going towards spreading knowledge about curecoin and other good causes.
I thought it would be a good way for those who are curious to get easy access so that they can test what it's all about.

However, the payment processor I was going to use have stated they will not support sales of “virtual currencies” (also a term used by other gateways/banks I've been in touch with). In fairness, they did say it was more due to their banking affiliates prohibiting them.

So, I'm thinking of alternative forms of doing this. Maybe by accepting donations, and in return they receives a donation certificate and a bonus “ebook starter pack” which includes: step by step introduction to curecoin, how to fold, the importance of the Epistemic Standard Economy, and a free extra bonus for getting started with curecoin (a paper wallet or dat file topped up with some curecoins)

Or something like wuffy mentioned; having it on sticks.

I've also put on the site one idea of spreading curecoin knowledge.

The site is very much just a concept, let's have some brainstorming. There might come some good ideas out of this.

You may have noticed that I've dropped the 'coin' part throughout the site, using only Cure. I'm no marketeer, but I feel it makes more sense since it's not a product I'm selling. It's the idea and vision to an audience who are still in the dark about crypto currency. Whether it's bitcoin or dogecoin, the target audience for the crypto community is the same. Even though many have come a long way, the fact is there's still a long way to go before the general public are comfortable with crypto. Naturally, the concept is a hard sell. Statements like: decentralised currency, banks are bad, your economy and monetary system is flawed – your money is worth nothing... aren't really interesting to many unless they've actually been effected by it. Most people don't question money.

Cure has an advantage in that it makes more sense if the message is conveyed and presented correctly.

Topic starter Posted : 13/12/2014 3:26 pm
Member Admin

Will ... I'll have to defer to someone with more crypto knowledge than me, but the use of the QT wallet for crypto currency is usually the starting point. Unfortunately under the current market conditions, there's not enough incentive for anyone to develop a USD to CURE exchange/wallet, however BTC work great as an exchange medium, and Coinbase recently came out with a USD/BTC wallet: http://blog.coinbase.com/post/104112477642/usd-wallets-on-coinbase so thats getting us a step closer.

But I get what you're saying, I've met people who wouldn't get involved with crypto purely due to their fear of the government, and being guilty by association of money laundering etc. So you're "bridging" the crypto-to-fiat worlds idea is well understandable.

I'll ask the team what of our current marketing strategy we can post on the forum, to avoid redundant eureka moments (aka reinventing the wheel 🙂 If you follow social media, you'll notice three general trends for Curecoin:

1. Approach organizations within the crypto community for collaborative projects
2. Approach individuals who hold influential power (Angel investors, Celebrities, Medical Professionals)
3. Promoting CURE as a Charity, an Investment, and as a Gift (using record breaking numbers from the F@H network as a selling point)

Speaking from experience, one of the questions brought up by celebrity representatives and doctors has been "Is it safe to use on my computer?". Due to recent hacks at Sony and leaked celebrity photos - along with concerns over patient records by doctors (and fear of violating HIPAA regulations by letting patient records get in the wrong hands).

Anyway, we'll give talk about your concept tomorrow - right now its time to sleep 🙂

Posted : 14/12/2014 8:06 am
Member Admin

@Will H wrote:

TL;DR: Made a concept site. Let's get some ideas rolling and see what kind of site it could end up as.

http://www.coinordie.com/ (password: epistemicstandard)

Will - you can PM me and we can set up a hangout ... this can flow into some of our other ideas

Posted : 16/12/2014 7:42 am
New Member

Hi Will H,Great post..Really i appreciate your work...How long you get work to get these idea ???Keep in touch with us..Thanks for your informative post 🙂 🙂

Posted : 31/12/2014 9:39 am
Will H
New Member

The idea's been there for a while, the real work is getting the idea to the broader public. Figuring out what's acceptable for people to casually part ways with their $ for curecoin related material etc.

Even without that element, the site can still be a source of information.

Topic starter Posted : 02/01/2015 3:22 pm
kari feinstein
New Member

Hello Will,

I liked your concept, it is smothing really new to me at least, i have just read your post, but I haven't browsed your site yet.

I have a small suggestion, if you would like:

Why don't you go for a blooger outreach campaign. Here I ment to say that the idea behind a blogger outreach campaign is that a company, firm or even the site owners (like you), who are seeking exposure for a product or service, leverages influencers who have established a substantial following, asking them to write about it in exchange for free access to the product or service.

Posted : 28/11/2015 11:57 am
Nicky Paul
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Thanks for Sharing this

Posted : 01/04/2016 10:19 am
Small Molecule
New Member Customer

I believe that to be efficient in providing data, a block tree rather than a blockchain will be needed. One issue is the starting conformation of a protein. Prions are probably the most widely known example. They are a class described as ' protease-resistant proteins' i.e. once folded, the body is unable to refold them and their presence lowers the activation energy to flip the protein from it's natural (near) minimum energy states.

 It seems likely that the energy required to change into a different minimum or near-minimum energy state must be quite low. For a single protein, finding ALL of the (local) minimum energy states along with their protease-resistance is a very useful calculation. Depending on the computing power available to a 'miner' and the mathematics employed, each person can map a different protein. Data with an inherent and increasing value. Confirming that ALL minimum states have been calculated poses a problem. A local minimum may only need a tiny amount of energy to move into a regional minimum and for each discrete set of minimum conformations, the challenge is to find a way to calculate ALL of the initial states that lead to all local minimums and as a byproduct, the global minimum energy state.

 Such calculations do not lend themselves to GPUs or dedicated hash-collision (bitcoin minimg) hardware and there isn't a raffle to decide who gets the next 'coin'. This is a massively large endeavour in which the problem of parallel calculations in which 99.999% yield no income is avoided. The mathematics of calculating the functional sequence complexity of proteins is new. Science is already undertaking the calculations of 'low complexity areas' within a protein but the problem remains.

How do you ensure ALL minima (global, regional and local) have been calculated? I would suggest that testing a sub-set of regional minima and local minima with the calculated global minima is sufficient. Of course, if a local is only bounded by a tiny amount of energy, just how big will the result be?

As a decentralized currency, the inherent value will, happily, grow in an exponential manner with income generated by an ever-increasing and ever more valuable database. There appears to be around 100,000 proteins in the human body with variants due to an individuals genome. Of those, around 20,000 of them are common to all. The weight (MW) gives the first bit of data to calculate complexity. The number of chemical bonds (including hydrogen bonds) can be used as a better calculation of complexity and the mathematics is understood. More recent work, to find optimizations (simplification) to given areas of a protein provide an adjuster.

In simple terms, we can ROUGHLY class the complexity of each protein but just as with physical mining, while geologists can give high-confidence of a materials concentration in one area, local problems means that the exact amount of material mined is not and never will be 100%. I think we can calculate complexity to ±10%. I believe that this is sufficient.

Since the mathematics behind folding is a scientific field in itself, it also means that those generating Curecoins can benefit from better software. Bitcoin is based on a very simple 'hash collision' problem, protein folding software development will become an industry in it's own right. In the most general terms it is finite element analysis, a fiend with a history dating back to the 1940s. Currently it is used to simulate phenomena that would require every atom in a system with many billions of moles (6.022^23) of atoms. These systems are provably unsolvable EXACTLY (given the energy required to store the data on each atom, the true simulation would require more atoms than exist in the universe).

The Rubisco protein ( responsible for atmospheric carbon fixation) has a mass of 55 kDa so presuming a C,O,N ratio of 48, that is 4230 atoms. The ATP synthase protein is 500-600 kDa i.e. 42300 atoms. The smallest protein in the human body is Thyroid releasing hormone with just 234 amino acids so around 2 kDa.

Anyone who has seen Chemoffice find the minimum energy state of a chemical with 50 atoms will see how big a task it is. If you set the highest precision, it can take 5 minutes (on a fast PC). I think that gives an insight into just how BIG the potential calculations are. This makes the Bitcoin system look like counting on your fingers.

So, with the necessity of complex algorithms, a CPU is the best tool. This is also a great benefit because each person or group can choose to work on tasks which best fit their situation. I use the term 'block tree' because unlike the forks that cast doubt on the value of other currencies, a group may decide to start with a single initial conformation of a specific protein so the number of parallel calculations taking place can grow and presuming:

1) Moore's law continues
2)protein folding is NOT accelerated by the quantum computer

Then we can calculate the supply side and the inherent value is a function of the utility of the data. As long as access to the database is monolithic, it will generate an income. This model works in favour of the small investor rather than the cartels. A person can take on the task of calculating a small protein with a unique initial-state. Thyroid releasing hormone would take about a week on my PC. Of course, there will be a slight overlay with proteins that have already been calculated. Those that are in the public domain are assigned a value so previous work is rewarded. This also has the advantage of proving the system works and ensuring that before people begin calculating, Carecoins are already on the market.

I consider protein folding as striking the balance between the 0 inherent value of bitcoins and the new wave of gold-backed decentralized currencies that have been tried before and were closed because they attracted criminals. Curecoin can be supported by biology periodicals that accept them for access to articles. The inherent cost to them is negligible so it is their short-term gain that ensures investment of time, money and effort.

The unique problems are that groups may produce better software. This happened with custom hardware for Bitcoins but since a CPU is required, it is NOT hardware. Vendors sell 'mining' hardware and likewise, the commodity (software) has a limited time/cost element (newer, faster software being offered) and the natural instinct to produce money in a centralized currency.

That it offers many different income streams from everywhere in the world, it is MORE competitive than the few people who are in the position to produce custom processors that deal with an exact problem. Of course, the price of folds-per-second (FPS?) hardware and software will arise to a smaller extent. We have all read that bitcoin mining consumes more power than entire countries and is not sustainable IS a fact. For curecone, the most energy-efficient processing units will become an important issue.

On the hardware front, several novel solutions await exploitation. Few people are aware that a simple SIM card may well have a 20MHz ARM7TDMI CPU. RAM does become an issue when folding large proteins but manufacturers can easily supply SoCs (System on Chip) with sufficient RAM. Since the problem is issued in parallel and the only further communication will be when a minima is found means fast networking is not a problem. ARM cores are designed to use as little power as possible and a nanoSIM (4FF) is just 12.3 mm by 8.8 mm by 0.67 mm. If you consider the size of an Intel i9 processor as 52.5mm by 45 mm by, 1.016 mm plus heatsink and fan as 65mm by 65mm by 43mm then the processing density isn't quite as clear cut 181673mm^3 against 72.5^3 i.e. you can fit a theoretical 2500 of the latter in the same space as the former. Just as importantly, the Intel i9 consumes 1000 watts (plus active cooling). The ARM7TDMI @ 20MHz consumes 5 milliwatts. 2500 of them uses just 12.5 watts. Of course, this lends itself to tinkering. After all, such a system is scalable to the penny (in bulk SIMs cost 2.5p) and with the limited data exchange going on, the single-wire protocol is more than sufficient. Rather than people BUYING dedicated systems, they can tinker at home.

The single most difficult problem remains the data format. I must be able to be easily tested, impossible to duplicate and collision-resistant. For these purposes, a recent technology provides the perfect answer. A Fully Homomorphic encryption allows data to be tested (add & multiply instructions) whilst encrypted. To this end, the encryption acts not as a hash function but rather as a key. The public data may be copied but to generate Curecoins, the original generator or trusted 3rd party must hold this data. As the blocktree is a real-time system, a global clock is used and a set of calculations can be provably added before a specific time (by use of clock hash).

The paragraph above is the requirements for a successful system. An absolute time isn't possible but X before Y is logical and only when a twig, branch, or bough are completed should it be issued. Unlike bitcoin, counterfeiting must be more surely prevented. A branch can only be added when all twigs have been computed checked and added to the block tree. Likewise, a bough may only be added when all branches have been checked and added to the block tree.

I appreciate that this is a large departure from other digital currencies but the model does mean no expenditure of wasted effort and being complex means that the most efficient hardware and software become important. Bitcoins are no more than a token of exchange and gold, while of use, is not as clearly valuable as data. This is a HARD problem.

Final thought. The ARM M0+ processor was designed to be the most power-efficient processor in the world. Curecoin will hopefully push ARM and other designers towards much more efficient processors. Only recently did was see mobile phones that harvested EMR (electromagnetic radiation) providing a 1/2-duplex mobile phone (a phone powered by masts) and for every such application, there are many such benefits to Curecoin.


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